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I'm just going to say this now, so there will be no wank. I really don't want to get involved in all that.


I didn't like season 6 of Supernatual. I'll put that out there right now.


I feel like the characters I grew to love were unrecognizable (except for Sam, when he got his soul back).


One of my favorite characters just happened to get completely shitted on, so excuse me if I'm a little bitter and I'm upset about it. I will continue to be bitter and upset until this character gets the respect he deserves on the show.


I don't even care if Cas dies or not. I just want him to have the graceful and heroic exit he deserves. How hard is that to understand for some people? I don't want him to stay on the show anymore because it's obvious Sera and company don't know what to do with him or how to write a decent storyline for him.


If they do come up with something great for him on the show and he stays. Hey, that's awesome. Although, it's obvious they're leading to Cas's exit from the show.


But let's be honest, I just don't have the same faith in the writers like I used to for them to actually pull it off. I'll be happy if they prove me wrong, but I doubt it.


I'll wait and watch a few episodes to see what's going on. If I don't like it, it's pretty simple for me to not to watch it. And, if you can't understand that or respect  it then feel free to de-friend me.


I like having intelligent conversations with people who have different views from mine. It's always interesting to see other people's views.


But, I don't like being talked down to about what I like, and I do not want any wank. It's just not worth it, and I don't feel like wasting my time.


I'm not some delusional Cas!fan. I know what the show is about. IT'S ABOUT FAMILY.  I love Dean, Sam, Cas, Bobby, and etc. I hate what they did to Dean this season, but at least he's salvageable. I don't see the same happening for Cas. I know I sound pessimistic about the writers, but after this season, can you really blame me?


I just can't with the wank. I just can't. 

Date: 2011-08-22 06:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sherrilina.livejournal.com
*hug* Aw hun....I still have hope of a good exit for Cas (I'm hoping for a noble self-sacrifice after he's been de-souled, to heal Sam's soul the rest of the way and undo the wrong he has wrought), but yeah, I'm nervous too...:/

I disagree that anyone was really OOC in s6, but we can agree to disagree there....

Date: 2011-08-22 07:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] queen125.livejournal.com
I can only hope so too. He deserves some redemption. I guess we'll see what happens.

I can say that Dean felt OOC this season. More whiny and annoying to me. Cas was def OOC toward the end of the season at least to me,when he killed Balthazar and broke Sam's wall. We can say it was due to Cas losing his mind, but I don't know.

Definitely. I don't mind it when people disagree with me unlike some people. -_-

Date: 2011-08-22 10:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sherrilina.livejournal.com
Was he whiny thought? I think he was a lot more so in s5, TBH, though with reason of course...what was he whiny about? I understand him being upset about Robo!Sam, and worried for Sam once the wall went up...

Yeah, I thought killing Balthazar and breaking the wall (especially the latter) was a little much, but basically he was feeling hurt and angry and I can see him potentially lashing out like that. He could have occupied the Winchesters in any number of non-harmful ways, put them in an angelic green room like in 4x22, etc, but he chose to lash out and really hurt Sam and Dean the worst way he could, in one blow, because he felt cornered and upset. IDK, the more I think about it, the more I can see maybe how his frame of mind could have led him there, though it still crossed a line and upsets me, and I hope he redeems the action against Sam especially....:/

Date: 2011-08-22 10:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] queen125.livejournal.com
Well, we know how Dean loves to angst so well. It wasn't about him worrying about Sam. It was more of him complaining about Cas not doing this and that for them. Oh and him angsting about Lisa and Ben. Blah, blah, blah.

I just felt like he complained about everything so much this season in comparison to other ones.

I can understand Cas being hurt, but I just found it so hard to believe Cas would ever hurt Sam and his last angel ally. Cas could very easily used his angel mojo to knock Sam, Dean, and Bobby out, if he really wanted them out of the way. That would've made more sense.

Also, when Cas has been worrying about Sam's soul the entire season, even arguing with Dean about it. He was that worried about what Sam remembering hell would do to him. I just don't buy that even a Hurt!Mildly Psychotic!Cas would ever hurt Sam and Dean, know matter how much they piss him off. God!Cas hurting them. Now, I could see that.

It still kills me to see him do that to Sam.

Date: 2011-08-26 05:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sherrilina.livejournal.com
Well, we know how Dean loves to angst so well. It wasn't about him worrying about Sam. It was more of him complaining about Cas not doing this and that for them. Oh and him angsting about Lisa and Ben. Blah, blah, blah.

I just felt like he complained about everything so much this season in comparison to other ones.


Well most of what Dean was complaining about where Cas was concerned WAS about Sam though (helping Sam), so....and well why wouldn't he be worried about Lisa and Ben, when we know how protective he is of family, and how guilty he always feels, putting it all on his own shoulders? Guy has been through a lot of trauma...

Cas could very easily used his angel mojo to knock Sam, Dean, and Bobby out, if he really wanted them out of the way. That would've made more sense.

Also, when Cas has been worrying about Sam's soul the entire season, even arguing with Dean about it. He was that worried about what Sam remembering hell would do to him. I just don't buy that even a Hurt!Mildly Psychotic!Cas would ever hurt Sam and Dean, know matter how much they piss him off. God!Cas hurting them. Now, I could see that.

But that's just it, he could have, but didn't, because he felt hurt and betrayed and wanted to hurt Dean and Sam as well...it's kind of like when Dean threw away the Samulet in 5x16, after feeling so hurt by Sam's happy memories in heaven...Cas obveiously wanted to lash out, and was also convinced that he would be helping Sam after it was over anyway, I guess....Cas was deluding himself about so much else at this time, and becoming ruthless, much like Sam was in s4. By this point they'd done so much, gotten this far, it all would have been for nothing if they didn't push forward...

It still kills me to see him do that to Sam.

Me too, just like it kills me to see Sam stab Cas in the back, even if that was a lot more justified, given what Cas had just done to him...

Date: 2011-08-27 07:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] queen125.livejournal.com
But, I feel like Dean has been through way worse things in other seasons where his angst was understandable. This season just didn't feel like what was going equaled the amount of complaining he did to Bobby and Cas. That's just how I feel. *shrugs*

I see your point about Cas. I guess I just don't want to believe he would lash out in that way, no matter how much Dean and Sam have hurt him. It's just a little hard for me to swallow and always will be. I'll just have to get over it with the new season coming.

Me too, just like it kills me to see Sam stab Cas in the back, even if that was a lot more justified, given what Cas had just done to him...

That part kills me too and the look on Dean's face is like 'WTH?'

Have you seen the new trailer for the 7th season? All the promos have been about Cas, well the words at least. I'll admit they make me have small hope for the redemption of the show, since season 6 was sort of all over the place. We'll see soon enough what happens.

P.S. I really enjoy our discussions. <3

Date: 2011-08-28 02:28 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sherrilina.livejournal.com
Have you seen the new trailer for the 7th season? All the promos have been about Cas, well the words at least. I'll admit they make me have small hope for the redemption of the show, since season 6 was sort of all over the place. We'll see soon enough what happens.

I think so, I've seen two trailers so far, that's it right? I felt better once I realized that first one was a pun, lol (I'm such a sucker for puns, the worse the better for me! :p). I think that they are building it up to mislead people into fearing Cas is a goner and whatnot, but that it will not be so, just a misdirect...I heard one theory I liked that Beaten!Cas in the campaign room place is like, Real!Cas stuck inside his own mind b/c the souls are running the show now/he's like possessed (which he is in a manner of speaking), but then IDK, because he was in a church in that one clip, and that's so Cas...we'll see though!

P.S. I really enjoy our discussions. <3

Me too, glad we can have a nice civil discussion about it! :D
Edited Date: 2011-08-28 02:29 am (UTC)

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