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http://www.tvline.com/2011/10/supernatural-castiel-dead-alive-misha-collins/

So, basically, Cas is dead. His vessel disintegrated.

But, Misha will be back, in other words, as the Leviathan boss.

Okay.

To be honest, I didn't even know that was Cas's 'supposed' death scene. I just thought, 'Oh, Cas's vessel couldn't take all those leviathans, so they got absorbed into the water to move to other bodies.'

I DIDN'T KNOW THAT HE WAS DEAD DEAD.

I really don't know what to think. I just assumed Cas wasn't dead, and the leviathans are lying, but Gamble's saying he really is dead. But, we all know that doesn't mean anything. Dead people come back all the time.

However, if that little descent into the water was supposed to be Cas's big death scene. That was some old bullshit. Shouldn't Cas have a bigger sendoff than that, even if it may not be permanent? I mean do justice to this character. He deserves a heroic end. That's all I'm saying. You want to kill Cas off. That's fine. I've come to terms with that but respect his character and everything he's done for Dean and Sam. He deserves at least that much.

I HAVE NEVER FELT SO DISRESPECTED AS A FAN IN MY LIFE.

First they jerk Cas fans around with those stupid promos 'Kiss your Cass goodbye!' That was completely uncalled for. You're just rubbing salt in the wounds and basically saying, 'nananana bobobo. We're going to kill Cas off.'

Then the way they've treated Misha Collins, who basically helped resuscitate this damn show. A complete lack of respect and compassion.

They have pretty much have destroyed a character I and many others have come to love. I was pissed about Godstiel, but I got over it. I thought it was going to be interesting. Then, they wrap it up in one episode. then we have leviaCas, and okay, I'm excited again.

Then, we get this bullshit interview and news that we probably won't see Cas or Misha for a very long time.  

As much as I love Sam and Dean, this is starting to piss me off. I was excited after the first episode of this season, but after the second episode. i wasn't sure how I felt. I liked the episode enough, but the rushing of tying up Cas's storyline left a bad taste in my mouth.

I just don't like feeling manipulated.

I know this is nothing new for shows to do, to try and entice you to keep watching, but dangling Cas over her heads in such a blatant manipulation. It doesn't make me want to watch, on the other hand, it makes me want to stop watching.

And, I'm so tired of hearing 'If you leave because of Cas, you're not a true fan.'  If I spent money on Supernatural merchandise, stayed home every Thursday and/or  Friday to catch the show, you better damn well believe I AM A TRUE FAN. 

'The show is about two brothers, not about angels. Cas was taking too much attention off the brothers.' ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME WITH THIS?
How could Cas take any attention off Dean and Sam, when he's barely in any of the episodes. Please tell me that.
When you introduce characters like Ellen, Jo, Bobby, Pamela, and Ash, the show isn't about two brothers anymore. The show may have started off about about Dean and Sam but it grew to be about family.

And, if this is how Sera Gamble and the other writers think family should be treated. I'm not sure I want to continue watching. Something needs to happen. I can't take all this drama.




Date: 2011-10-04 12:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] klutzy-girl.livejournal.com
First of all, Sera was vague in that interview.

Second of all, if Cas really is dead (And I honestly doubt that. He's so alive) he did get a decent death scene - He redeemed himself and told Dean and Bobby to run and everything in 7.01. If that was his true death, it was a good one.

I'm going to wait and see how this plays out. I hope to see more of Levicas.

Date: 2011-10-04 12:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] queen125.livejournal.com
In the interview, she pretty much said Cas's vessel disintegrated. She stated in the interview that he was pretty much dead. If you read my post, I said a character dying doesn't mean anything in Supernatural.

Cas did not get a good death scene. Compare that to his other death scenes or Ellen and Jo's death scene. That was complete crap. It was completely underwhelming.

I had no idea that was even a death scene. I thought Levia!Cas was just making sure the other leviathans got bodies also.

You keep waiting on that. Doesn't seem like he's going to be making many appearances.

Date: 2011-10-04 04:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sherrilina.livejournal.com
See she wasn't as vague as I expected though--I was perfectly confident about Cas being stiL alive/the Boss being in his vessel/etc UNTIL she started talking about the vessel dissolving (why would she say that?!) and Misha coming back but not necessarily as Cas ever again (which is a big DNW, I mean I'm all for LeviaCas as long as that's not the last way we see Cas's face, because that's just horrible....:/)...I just wish she hadn't said any of this, she should just be like, "Sorry I can't answer that, wait and see...".

And no, it's not a great death, maybe he said that to Dean and Bobby, but he never got the chance to apologize/make it up to SAM, the one he hurt/betrayed most of all b/t the soulless negligence and the wall thing! :( To just leave that hanging is just, no...and that notwithstanding, it's still not a good death b/c of the way he was taken--it's one thing if he had died in the process of returning the souls to purgatory or something, but he didn't--the survived that only to then apparently die by being possessed by an evil creature, totally without agency or nobility or the chance to put his affairs in order before then. If you look at the other deaths on SPN, this is not generally how it works--Sir died with a good purpose, and with time to say goodbye to Sam and Dean in a fashion, same with Ellen/Jo, and even Gabriel had that whole informative video/sendoff goodbye and died in the process of trying to kill Lucifer--redeeming himself in a much bigger way despite spending the majority of his time hurting the boys. And the people who had sudden deaths like Ash, Mary, and Pam all had closure too. So he needs to come back, at least once more to have a proper exit, what we had wasn't enough...

Date: 2011-10-04 05:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] queen125.livejournal.com
You're comment is basically what I was saying.

She clearly stated that Cas was dead in the interview, but Hey, Misha will be back just as LeviathanBoss.

I do not want that to be the last of Misha I see. I want it to be Cas.

That death scene was a complete joke. I didn't even know it was supposed to be a death scene. It's like Sera and the writers wanted to be underwhelming and just gloss over it. It had no emotional impact whatsoever.

Date: 2011-10-04 05:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sherrilina.livejournal.com
She didn't quite say he was dead for sure, she said that Sam and Dean think he is definitely dead, so for emotional purposes he was dead...the only thing that looked bad was the dissolving comment, though maybe that's wrong.

Cas has died twice before though, IDK...

Date: 2011-10-04 05:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] queen125.livejournal.com
I think Cas'll be back, but the question is how long will it be?

Apparently the seventh episode. That's almost the mid-season finale.

How long will it be after that? Will Cas get a redemption arc at all or will it be a last minute thing?

I just don't know how to feel. I was so excited after the first episode, but now ;______;

Date: 2011-10-04 05:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sherrilina.livejournal.com
Apparently that IMDB cap was fake, sorry! :( And IDK, I wouldn't be surprised if Real!Cas (assuming he returns) didn't come back until the very end, maybe even the finale...just sacrificing himself in a noble and redemptive way (after being able to say goodbye/apologize) would be enough for me, just a proper exit. The Trickster was able to redeem himself in 1 epp, and if Cas gets that I'll be satisfied. I can live without him if he gets a good exit.

Date: 2011-10-04 06:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] queen125.livejournal.com
FAAAAAAAKE.

NNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! ;___________________;

I honestly don't think he's coming back until the very end either. I really think that sucks. I want more than one episode, more than a few minutes of Cas redeeming himself.

If I have to settle for that, then I will. I don't have to like it though.

They obviously don't know how to treat a great character like Cas, so let him be gone. I'll be glad for it. They just don't know how to write him or give him a good storyline. I just want him to have a heroic ending. That's all.

Let them have their show back to Sam and Dean. I'm sure it won't be redundant.

Date: 2011-10-04 05:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sherrilina.livejournal.com
Yeah the interviews definitely made me feel nervous/ill, and less confident than before, though I still am trying to have hope, I mean Kripke has been misleading before, it happens with showrunners, and she said after 7x01 to not be so sure about deaths...and she mainly said it would be a real death for Sam and Dean, b/c they think it's a real death...IDK about the dissolving thing though. :/

Date: 2011-10-04 05:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] queen125.livejournal.com
That interview just completely threw me off.

Here I am, trying to be optimistic, even with the lack of Cas at the beginning of the second episode. Then I hear this from Sera Gamble herself.

Cas is really dead. That was his death scene. WoW.

Kripke's been misleading, of course. But, I never felt this manipulated before, and I don't like it. I find it disrespectful to treat fans this way.

Don't get me wrong. I think it's a good chance we'll see Cas again but not for a very long time and that is what makes me nervous.

Will Cas get his redemption arc at all? Will I keep having to muddle through many episodes with promises of Cas, only to be disappointed? That doesn't really appeal to me.

Date: 2011-10-04 06:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] abbylover23.livejournal.com
HAVE NEVER FELT SO DISRESPECTED AS A FAN IN MY LIFE

AMEN. EXACTLY MY PROBLEM.

UGH.

i had to like, cut so many ties to avoid the gloating about his death and the "beautiful awesome Winchester brothers moments." like that makes up for all the crap? no thanks Sera.

Date: 2011-10-04 08:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] queen125.livejournal.com
It just pisses me off. I had to hold off reviewing on episode 2 because something just didn't sit right with me.

Now that I've had time to reflect on it. I just feel disrespected by Sera Gamble, the other writers, and the whole damn network. And, I know I'm not the only Cas!fan who feels the same way.

Let's dangle Cas right in their face so maybe they'll watch.

Don't even get me started on those 'true fans.' If they treated Sam, Dean, or Bobby's character in the same manner, people would be raising hell.

'We don't want him taking the spotlight off the boys anymore.'

But because it's Cas, we're overreacting and whining. Whatever.

I just want Cas's character to be treated with the respect he deserves. That's all. Why is this so hard to understand?
Edited Date: 2011-10-04 09:00 pm (UTC)

Date: 2011-10-10 02:19 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] abbylover23.livejournal.com
it's not hard to understand at all, that's the problem :( the writers just DGAF about us Cas fans clearly. i feel so let down and regretful that i poured so much love and devotion into a show that has so royally fucked my favourite character over!

Date: 2011-10-10 03:16 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] queen125.livejournal.com
It's not just the writers that don't understand; it's other Supernatural fans also. I just don't understand why they get so upset over Cas!fans who feel mistreated by the writers and that we're just whining.

How would they feel if Bobby, Sam, or Dean was treated in the same manner? I just don't get the hate we get for feeling this way. I just don't understand this fandom, and I probably never will. Oh, well.

I'm just going to start taking a few steps away from the show and fandom. I'll still read fics and watch the show on occasion, but I don't want talk about it anymore. I think I've wasted enough time ranting about it.

I just don't like it, when my favorite character gets treated in this manner, especially with everything he's done for Sam and Dean without asking for anything in return.

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