Supernatural 6.21-6.22-Spoilers

[queen125]

 

I don't even know what to say at all. These episodes just killed me.

6.21- How could Dean treat Cas like that? He kept coming back to help them all, but no one would try to help him or trust in him. I'm so disappointed in Dean.

I've said it enough that Cas has done so much for them, and what does he get? insults and rejections AND BEING TREATED LIKE SHIT.

WAS THERE ANYTHING ELSE IN THIS EPISODE 'CAUSE I CAN'T REMEMBER IT (OR DIDN'T CARE).

6.22-This is it. This is where Cas's character was completely destroyed.

1. He broke Sam's wall. (Seriously, WTF, The Cas I know would've never done anything to hurt Dean or Sam.)  I CAN'T GET OVER THIS PART.
2. HE FUCKING KILLED BALTHAZAR FOR GETTING DEAN INVOLVED. HE KILLED THE ONLY ANGEL FRIEND HE HAD LEFT. SERIOUSLY WTF?

NOW, HE'S FUCKING GOD AND HE'S THE NEXT BIG BAD.I DON'T CARE WHAT ANYONE SAYS DEAN'S TREATMENT OF CAS PLAYED A HUGE ROLE IN THIS. AFTER ALL DEAN'S DONE TO CAS, I SHOULD'VE KNOWN THIS IS WHERE THINGS WOULD END UP. ONCE DEAN AND SAM TURN ON YOU, YOU GO EVIL, SO THEY CAN KILL YOUR ASS OFF.

HONESTLY, I WOULD'VE PREFERRED IF CAS DIED. I CAN'T TAKE NEXT SEASON. I REALLY CAN'T. THANKS FOR RUINING A GREAT CHARACTER, ASSHOLES. DEAN/CAS HAS OFFICIALLY BEEN DESTROYED NOW. IT'S OVER YOU GUYS. IT'S OVER.
I'LL ALWAYS LOVE YOU, CASTIEL. I JUST CAN'T TAKE WHAT THEY'RE DOING TO YOU.

FUCK THIS SHIT. FUCK IT WITH A RUSTY PIPE.
THIS SEASON HAS BEEN UP AND DOWN MORE THAN USUAL. IT WASN'T EVEN ON THE SAME LEVEL AS SEASON 5. SEASON 5 WAS A MASTERPIECE COMPARED TO SEASON 6. EPISODE 21 AND 22 WERE OKAY TO ME.. CAS'S CHARACTER DEMISE OVERSHADOWED EVERYTHING ELSE TBH.

FEW HOURS LATER: I've had a few hours to calm down, and I looked back over my post. Wow, I sound like an angry fangirl. LOL.

I guess I'm just disappointed in the episodes. There were okay. I've seen better. I still stand by what I said though. I just hope that there is a purpose to all this. Some people have said that this could be an interesting story. I don't have the same faith in the writers like I used to, not after this season. I hope Dean and Sam will try to save Cas, instead of killing him. I just want some redemption for him because of all the things he's done are terrible. I hope we find out more about Sam's wall breaking. I still can't believe that Tthey actually wrote Cas doing that to Sam. I just don't see how Cas thought that was a good way to distract Dean and Bobby.

I just thought about something. Sam tried to kill Cas, you guys. He wasn't there and had no idea what was going on. He went straight for the angel-killing sword. I think that's a little indication of how season 7 is going to go.

Okay, I'm done. I'm burying myself in fics but none from this episode.

Comments

[ivesia19.livejournal.com]

I agree with you that Castiel's problems can be traced back to the way that the Winchesters treated him. He truly felt he had no other option.
But now he's thinking he's God? Not okay, writers. I am not amused. My only hope is that Dean will save Cas ala Buffy season 6.

[queen125.livejournal.com]

Unfortunately, I just don't have the faith in the writers like I used to. The way Cas has been treated has been terrible.

Then to have his character completely shift and then take all those souls and become crazy, there better be some point to it (It should involve Dean and Sam saving Cas and apologizing for being giant douchebags.)

If I go through season 7 watching Cas be the big bad, there better be a fucking payoff for it. That's all I'm saying.

[kaiyote.livejournal.com]

Are people saying Dean's treatment of Cas didn't factor into Cas going coocoo bananas + turning evil? O_o 'Cause uh. It's pretty fucking obvious that the whole reason for Dean's behavior this season (and having Balthazar turn on Cas) was to justify Cas turning evil because he had "no one" left.

And IDK. It's super obvious that they used characters like chess pieces this season instead of character to get them into the position they wanted to. Like idk how the show would/could resolve this. And if they do, chances are they'll just use the characters in whatever OOC way they see fit in order to hit the plot points they want. :P

[sherrilina.livejournal.com]

I have to disagree a little on that--Cas first didn't go to Dean because he didn't want to disturb his retirement so to speak, and then after that his secret, shameful alliance with Crowley as well as his guilt over screwing up with Sam put further distance between him and Dean. True, Dean has been rough towards Cas this season, but at the same time Cas has been remaining pretty distant as well, not coming when Sam called (no doubt because as in 6x20 he knew Sam had questions for him that didn't want to answer), and then being all "I only came because angelic weapons were involved" the first time he does show up for the boys...I don't think one can pin it all on Dean here. :/ Cas didn't want to fully open up to Dean because as Crowley said, he wanted Dean to still think of him as a righteous angel of the Lord.

By the time we got to the end of the season, while Dean could have handled things more gently perhaps, esp. in the last two epps, it's not like he could just go along with and support Cas's plan when it was indeed a bad idea--just look at what absorbing 1 million monster souls did to him! :(

I'm hoping that this godlike thing is a fakeout and that Cas will be "denuked" in the premiere and then spend the season atoning/fixing things. If only they could have a scene with Sam in which he apologizes profusely for the unforgivable wall thing, while Sam admits that he has been there (because he has, it's like killing Cindy all over again, being hopped up on a monstrous substance and getting power trips, etc), and can understand...I don't think we should necessarily give up yet.

And actually I thought the characterizations overall were much more consistent this season than last at least, especially where the brothers and their relationship was concerned...

Sorry for the long rambling random comment, lol...:p Loved your latest Cas vid, btw! You manage to pick out his best angsty faces...;)

[kaiyote.livejournal.com]

Oh... err. My point was more that I blame the writers on all the characters actions rather than the characters themselves? Like I can't blame Dean for being a jerkface to Cas or even Sam not hugging him or Balthazar betraying Cas 'cause it seems to me that the only reason the characters behaved this way was so that they could justify Cas turning evil because he had ~no one~ left.

Like looking back on it, it seems like all of the characters (in regards to Castiel) were written with the specific intent to push Cas further away from them. ...Except this utterly failed where Balthazar is concerned because it's like writers forgot that there are characters who exist who are not Dean, Sam, or Bobby and who care about Cas. Which is why he was so extremely OOC in the finale because their reason for Cas going dark side was that he had no one left and no family... but if Balthazar had still been there obviously they couldn't use that as an excuse to get Cas evil.

XD Thank you!

[sherrilina.livejournal.com]

Hmm, but as much as it pained the SASSY in me to see Sam not hug Cas, I can see why he would have felt awkward about doing so when the last time he saw Cas it was when Lucifer exploded him through Sam's body...:/ And Balthazar has always shown himself to be focused on his own survival above all, so once he realized the danger of Cas's true plan I don't think it's that much of a stretch that he'd betray Cas for self-preservation...

[kaiyote.livejournal.com]

IDK. I watched the scene last night and with all the knowledge we have now... it does seem to me that the intention was to push Cas away or show that... well. No one really cares about him lol. Because as Cas was the one to raise Sam--well, his body anyway--out of the cage I think in trying to hug him it was half out of relief that Sam was okay and the other half was probably because he felt guilty as hell about leaving him in there. But when Sam denied him it was basically like Cas was asking for forgiveness... and didn't receive any. (Also didn't Sam hug Bobby? The last time he should've remembered seeing him was when he snapped his neck so I don't really get how hugging Cas after he exploded him wouldn't be anymore awkward than hugging the dude whose neck he snapped.)

I entirely disagree about Balthazar. He went back to save Cas from Raphael in 6x03 when he really didn't have to at all. He had already escaped and he could've just as easily have left Cas to Raphael then. He used himself as bait and put himself in harms way in order to give Cas the weapons in 6x15. And in 6x17 he took the blame for sinking the Titanic (which he did for Cas) when it couldn't've escaped his mind that quite possibly Fate would be pissed about that and eventually would come after him.

He does care about his own survival (and pleasure), but IMO it's been shown that he can (and will) put that aside for Cas.

[queen125.livejournal.com]

I have to disagree a little on that--Cas first didn't go to Dean because he didn't want to disturb his retirement so to speak, and then after that his secret, shameful alliance with Crowley as well as his guilt over screwing up with Sam put further distance between him and Dean. True, Dean has been rough towards Cas this season, but at the same time Cas has been remaining pretty distant as well, not coming when Sam called (no doubt because as in 6x20 he knew Sam had questions for him that didn't want to answer), and then being all "I only came because angelic weapons were involved" the first time he does show up for the boys...I don't think one can pin it all on Dean here. :/ Cas didn't want to fully open up to Dean because as Crowley said, he wanted Dean to still think of him as a righteous angel of the Lord.

Dean and Sam never showed any interest in the heavenly war. When Cas would bring it up, they always brushed it off as nothing. They didn't care, not when it mattered. So, how was Cas supposed to open up about it, if they never gave him a chance. It was always about their problems and their missions. They never showed any concern about Cas, until they thought he might be working with Crowley.

This all could've been avoided, if Cas had felt like he had someone on his side besides Balthazar. I feel like if Dean and Sam had shown more concern; they could've gotten through to Cas and stopped him from opening purgatory. I wished they would've tried to help him with Raphael. Because, who did Cas listen to the most? Dean and Sam.

[sherrilina.livejournal.com]

I'm afraid that's not quite true...in "Caged Heat" (which I recently rewatched in light of the Cas/Crowley reveal) at the end when Cas admits that things aren't going well in his war with Raphael, Dean DOES express concern, asking gently if there was anything they could do to help, and Cas replies that there isn't anything they could do. In other words, at least this one time Dean DOES express concern and offer aid, Cas had an opening (especially with Crowley on the forefront of his mind after his deception), and HE BRUSHED DEAN OFF. :/ He was probably too ashamed about Crowley, or too proud/self-assured his plan would work. I mean, if he wanted to he could have just asked them to help catch monsters all along, instead of going through Crowley using Sam's soul as leverage. So it's not all Dean and Sam here...

[queen125.livejournal.com]

If I made it seem like Cas shouldn't take responsibility for his actions, I didn't mean to make it sound that way. However, I think it's a mistake to think that Dean and Sam didn't play their part in it either.

You said it yourself. Dean asked once about helping Cas. The other times Cas bought it up Dean and the others acted indifferent. I assume from Cas's point of view that he believed Dean and Sam didn't care about the heavenly war. That's certainly the impression I got.

I also believe Cas was ashamed about his deal with Crowley. He should've told them, and maybe they could've came up with another plan or a way where Crowley wouldn't have gotten anything. The minute Dean and Sam found about Cas's deal with Crowley they turned their backs on him. I can understand their initial anger, but why not help Cas find another way to defeat Raphael? They were more concerned with Crowley, who couldn't even find purgatory without Cas. Raphael was the bigger threat in my opinion, but show didn't make it seem like that. I don't know why.

I don't know if was a lack of alternatives presented by the writers, but I'm trying to figure out what else Cas could've done to defeat Raphael. I really don't know.

The whole season has been about making Cas feel alone, and I believe that's what made him crack in the end. In 6-21, Dean pretty much dumped Cas. He wasn't very sympathetic to him.

Believe me. I'm pissed that Cas broke Sam's wall and killed Balthazar. I'm still in shock over it. This isn't the Cas I know.

Dean's rejection and Balthazar's betrayal pushed him over the edge. Now, he's gone crazy, and I'm not sure I like the direction his character is going. I'm more angry with the writers.

Cas has to take responsibility for his actions, of course. But, I think you have to take in account Dean and Sam's treatment of Cas all season, even Rachel saw it, too. This is what drove his descent in the end, his loneliness.

I just hope there's a point to making Cas evil oe whatever you want to call it.

[queen125.livejournal.com]

Yes, there have been people saying that. They were even saying that Dean and Sam were right about abandoning Cas because he went all crazy. And, that they had every right to try and kill Cas.

They should've been friends and stuck with him and tried to help find another way to kill Raphael, instead they treated him like crap and abandoned him.

[abbylover23.livejournal.com]

i'm so disappointed with this season :(

i hate that they're going to use ONE EPISODE as justification for why the boys kill Cas next season. because they will. you can tell the writers just don't even know what to do with him anymore :(

I SO WANT HIM TO BE A BADASS GOD BUT I FEEL LIKE THEY WON'T DO IT RIGHT. GOD DAMN YOU SHOW!

[queen125.livejournal.com]

I'm disappointed with it, too. I was one of the people defending this season because people were complaining.

I was saying, 'Give it a chance. I faith in the writers.'

I don't feel that way any more. I want to believe that there's a purpose to all of this and not just to pit Cas against Dean and Sam for the fuck of it. There better be a reason for it. Is it to save Cas and prove that they can care about people besides themselves? I'd be interested in that story, but if it's just about Dean and Sam killing Cas, I'm so not interested in that at all.

And, I've been trying to get used to GodCas. I would love to see him kick Dean and Sam's ass. XD I'm so mean.

[abbylover23.livejournal.com]

d'you know, i don't know why i stuck with this season for so long tbh, it makes me so sad! i need happy on my shows these days!

i no longer have faith. ugh. give me a show handled completely by Edlund and i'm all in but this!? hell no.

exactly. i'm not interested in it becoming "just" about the boys again, they've done that, they need expansion to remain healthy!

lol i want it, no lie. i want him to tell them both to stfu.